Friday, January 29, 2010

Examine your silliness

To the lovely person who complains about my taking photos at City Council meetings:

Get used to it.

They're called 'public meetings.' That's why they're videotaped from at least two angles - so my photographing or taping from another angle is actually helping document the event, which is my intent and my right. I see others with cameras, so, as usual, this is more idiocy on your part. Please, get an enema... the pressure is obviously already at extreme levels and you might just burst... think of the kids.

As for taking pictures of kids, hey, YOU BROUGHT EM. Your choice. Funny, the Taliban likes to hide behind kids and innocent people too.

What kind of parent subjects their kids to that degree of boredom?
A parent that uses their kids for props.

Sad.

Thursday, January 28, 2010

Morans at work

I just love the wingers in Longmont.

In the comments on a poll I remarked:
I prefer the 'full strength' First Amendment, not the 'limited' version thank you very much.
M. Douglas Wray, Longmont, CO
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and *minutes* later this commenter belched:

That's interesting M.DouglasWray in that the top two featured headlines on your Free Range website admonish "Rude commenters will be banned" and "Silencing your critics." Full strength First Amendment, eh Wray?
All-American, Longmont, CO

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First, anonymous... a snivelling coward. Is the mostly-incoherent Richard Yale the only one of you with a pair? (however wrinkled and shriveled, at least he's got em)

Second, the only comments I've had to block were from a realtor (shocking!) and a far-far-far-right wingnut apparatchik attacking Kaye Fissinger. Neither comment had -any- substance and were frankly attacks. How long would you tolerate someone coming into -your- home and screeching at you? I've posted the mayor's wife's ludicrous screeds and that was being charitable, more than either of the so-called 'citizen journalists' have ever done for me. Piss off ya loony.

And if this person would (could?) read, they'd see that 'Silencing your critics' is about the event that prompted this poll.

Morans. (sic)

What I find incredibly curious is how the mayor says he has no intention of surpressing free speech, but then the next damn day the Times-Call runs this poll... Guys, get your act together. Your collusion is so obvious it's laughable.

As are your attack dogs. (quick tip, chiuhuahuas aren't really very fearsome)

I tagged this as a personal attack and off-topic but it's still up there.

So much for the Times-Call's 'moderation'.

Maybe what's pissing the Lunatic Fringe off so badly is that we suppress hate speech - which is definitely NOT free.

You can howl all you want, Free Range Longmont is going to be around a LONG TIME and we'll make sure the public knows what's going on, regardless of how much the deep-pocket interests in Longmont try to sweep it under the rug.

Tuesday, January 26, 2010

Splash

Have I mentioned how much fun the Times-Call comments can be? Sure, there's generally a ton of libels in there about me but sometimes a truly fun exchange can be had...

Enjoy

Start at the bottom and work up.

Photo taken from Black and WTF
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Actually the computer had gone psychotic and was given a 'lobotomy' by removing it's higher logic functions so that it would function merely as a machine. The parallels to the current council condition are ironically similar. Not to mention, the reason Hal -went- nuts was because he was ordered to keep a secret. The ironometer is pegging, must stop now. But enjoying your input immensely.

M. Douglas Wray, Longmont, CO, 1/27/2010 12:18 AM                        Report abuse

What was it HAL 9000 the artificial intelligence computer said as his cord was pulled? LOL, Mr. Wray.

Richard Yale, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 11:47 PM                        Report abuse

Dr. Freud! Hurry! LOL.

M. Douglas Wray, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 11:05 PM                        Report abuse

Apparently Doug and Kaye didn't watch the council meeting tonight (or maybe didn't pay attention since you were there, I assume you were watching?) The Mayor addressed the ideas he brought up at the retreat - they were just ideas. Why don't we make the work the council is doing the center of focus and not how many ways you can bash the mayor, mayor pro-tem and other members of council. Have any gripes about the way Benker's Energy Incubator vote went? Guess that whole environmentally unfriendly council bit is out the window now, huh?

Longmonter, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 10:56 PM                        Report abuse

I'm decent? Really? :-D Dr. Freud, line one! (yes, HIM again Doctor... yes... THAT ONE... uh huh... Hurry please)

M. Douglas Wray, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 10:21 PM                        Report abuse

The council is trying to improve the process Mr. Wray. Your decent into an ad hominem attack on two personalities instead of offering a solution is admission you lost the argument and haven't figured it out yet.

Richard Yale, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 10:11 PM                        Report abuse

"...causing Mayor Baum to be bored and not get his list of things done..." - which really upsets the people holdng his receipt. I can imagine his discomfort. Failure to perform is usually punished severely by the GOP. No doubt having Tom 'The Hammer' Delay's ex-office-manager (Councilman Santos) sitting to his right is becoming less and less comforting. Funny how that works.

M. Douglas Wray, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 9:35 PM                        Report abuse

What has the Mayor suggested that isn't what they find appropriate in Boulder: http://www.bouldercolorado.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=528&Itemid=Public "Participation allows citizens to speak to the City Council on any City issue not scheduled for a public hearing later in the meeting, for a maximum of three minutes. This includes consent agenda items. Public Participation begins promptly at 6:00 p.m. and ideally concludes at 6:45. Public Participation is run on a first come, first served basis. You will be called in the order in which you signed up. You must sign up in person.
We may be unable to accommodate all the people who sign up within the 45 minute time period.. In that case, it is up to the Mayor to determine how to proceed. You will probably be offered the opportunity to speak after the last public hearing item. Please listen to the Mayor’s decision on this matter." If it is good enough for Boulder, why not Longmont? Some seem to think we should follow their lead, when our leaders do and some don't like it who enjoy free TV exposure and they might be cut short, they undercut their their credibility to follow Boulder the rest of the time.

Richard Yale, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 9:35 PM                        Report abuse

The mayor's attempt to limit the other council members is just as troubling as his attempt to limit the public. Each member only gets 3 minutes to speak? They can only ask one question at a time? What exactly is going on here? Who gave him the right to say how many questions a fellow council member can ask? I was always taught that the more information you have, the better the decision you can make. The only reason to limit discussion is if you already know how you are going to vote and don't want to be bothered with even going through the motions of pretending to listen to others. Clearly Baum has his agenda set and is looking to silence all that stand in his way or "waste his time". Yikes!

may rational minds prevail, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 8:28 PM                        Report abuse

Mayor Baum, If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Part of your job is listening to those pesky citizens, including the ones that don't agree with you. We live in a democracy and that means everyone gets a chance to have their say - left, right and middle. I am always suspicious when someone tries to shut others out. If your principles and actions are just they will survive the scrutiny of others.

may rational minds prevail, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 8:02 PM                        Report abuse

In the real world I sit in meetings all of the time at work and someone is always yabbering on about something and taking my time away from my work as well. I end up having to put in OT to get things done that could have been done had I not been wasting my time in a meeting listening to some tool. In this case, someone is yabbering on and causing Mayor Baum to be bored and not get his list of things done. I can feel for you Mayor Baum; however, aren't the citizens your boss? Don't we pay your salary? Didn't we elect you so we could be heard? (yes I voted for you) Shouldn't you listen to us anyway, even the boring ones? just a thought.

time_to_rant, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 4:28 PM

Explaining the Irony of the Muskrat

This is why I still despise Marilyn 'The Ousted Muskrat' Musgrave - her membership in the Susan B. Anthony list (which I'm certain it's namesake would spit on and then kick the crap out of the whiny bitches running it) is classic irony:

National connections and events further illuminate suffrage developments in Colorado. In both 1877 and 1893, Colorado suffragists received funds, advice, and personnel from national and other state organizations. Susan B. Anthony, Lucy Stone, and Henry Blackwell stumped for woman suffrage during the 1877 referendum campaign, while Carrie Chapman (later Catt) did the same in 1893.

Given her druthers, I'll bet Muskrat et al would roll back women's rights to the stone age.

"Susan B. Anthony" list my ass. Hypocrites.

Magic Thing

I've been keeping at eye on the comments at this story on the Times-Call:

Mayor wants to trim length of public speaking at meetings

and saw this little blurp:

In the real world I sit in meetings all of the time at work and someone is always yabbering on about something and taking my time away from my work as well. I end up having to put in OT to get things done that could have been done had I not been wasting my time in a meeting listening to some tool. In this case, someone is yabbering on and causing Mayor Baum to be bored and not get his list of things done. I can feel for you Mayor Baum; however, aren't the citizens your boss? Don't we pay your salary? Didn't we elect you so we could be heard? (yes I voted for you) Shouldn't you listen to us anyway, even the boring ones? just a thought.
time_to_rant, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 4:28 PM

So, I felt it incumbent upon me to add this:

"...causing Mayor Baum to be bored and not get his list of things done..." - which really upsets the people holding his receipt. I can imagine his discomfort. Failure to perform is usually punished severely by the GOP. No doubt having Tom 'The Hammer' Delay's ex-office-manager (Councilman Santos) sitting to his right is becoming less and less comforting. Funny how that works.
M. Douglas Wray, Longmont, CO, 1/26/2010 9:35 PM

Irony is a magic thing

Go and read..

...The Onion.

Right now.

PS - put on something absorbent first or use your portable while you sit on the toilet - it will maximize the enjoyment.

Monday, January 25, 2010

Wingnuts going wild

From the Times-Call article:
Mayor wants to trim length of public speaking at meetings

The following comment just screams for a detailed response... so here it is...

First, I'd like to mention the point that this was a suggestion that was brought up at the retreat - a retreat is where councilmembers can brainstorm ideas and talk about ways to make the city and their jobs more efficient.
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Looked all through the agenda and didn't see a word about making "the city and their jobs more efficient.  The agenda items were content oriented (with the exception of "team building." Any suggestion that the mayor not defend the Constitution (as he swore to) is a retarded suggestion - especially if it's coming from the mayor... what planet are you on?

I hardly think it appropriate for everyone to get bent out of shape by one member throwing out an idea for discussion.
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"I'm the Mayor and it's up to me. I can set this up any way I want." Yep, that's "just one person" alright. The one with the gavel.

Of course you don't think it's 'appropriate' for your political opponents to be allowed to speak - ever. You and your reich-wing Lunatic Fringer pals have made that endlessly clear. Sorry, we're still in America the place that the soldiers you love to pretend to support fought and died for so we can have the Rights guaranteed to us in the Constitution. Your moronity is beyond belief.

But that being said, the public has PLENTY of times to speak - at first call Public Invited to be Heard, during the public discussion when items are being voted on and THEN a second call for PITBH.
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And by second reading the item has almost always been decided and any substantial change has to be republished at expense to the city.  So you really mean that PITBH is nothing more than a smokescreen that makes the public think they have influence over city decisions, when it was never intended.  Time and time again the rabid right has denied that this is a democracy.  Instead they prefer to focus on "representative government".  Translation = once you guys elect me (however few or many), I get to do whatever I please.  Lovely! The PITBH segment of Council meetings has been treated with ultimate disrespect more than once - the last wingnut-controlled council hacked it down from five minutes to three and now this jackass imitation of a mayor thinks he's going to chop it down further? Not a prayer. You assholes always do this shit, get control then immediately try to change the rules. You want to see your mayor yanked out by a recall, keep this shit up. Please. You're making it easy.


Really is such a big deal to limit the first call to 30 minutes - then people can still speak when the topic they are concerned about is being voted on.
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See above. Riddle me this batguano, would you be okay with this if the Progressive-controlled council had tried it to muzzle you? You know fucking well you would have been setting yourselves on fire and leaping off the City Hall building.

(deleted barking and yipping about unrelated shit that this commenter routinely drags into every comment because their position is so idiotically weak)

Better yet, why don't we institute a policy like the Times Call has with regard to Letters to the Editor - you can only have a letter appear once every couple of weeks, and this is a daily paper - what about limiting speakers to speaking once a month so the same yahoos can't get up every week and say the same thing over and over.
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Oh yes, let's hold up that paragon of fairness the Times Call. How about we limit you barf-mongers to one comment per day on their stories? (hell, per article would be an improvement) As of this writing there are at least a dozen multiple-personalities running around with half a dozen anonymous 'nicknames' that the Times-Call admits they can't control. How would you like it if we showed up to PITBH wearing various adorable little costumes and signed up several times - one for each costume? Those 'yahoos' you're referring to are concerned citizens and you will not silence us no matter how hard you try.

Just repeating the same rhetoric every week doesn't make it true.
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Reading this line I literally burst out laughing. Karen Benker Much? You spread lies about her non-stop for two years with the willing help of your pals at the Times-Call. You slime-molds did exactly that - lied endlessly - until your 14% of full-on fringers were all but barking for her blood. Please. Clearly you can't hear yourself or you'd have deleted that line rather than sound like a total fool.

Lastly, there are PLENTY of other opportunities for people to be heard - Coffee with Council, emailing the council members or even making an appointment to sit down and talk with one.
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Right. If the mayor would ever answer ANY of my emails I'd DO THAT. But he's such a moral coward he won't even discuss the topic of civility with me. He'd rather just cut off anyone that doesn't agree and then hide behind a rulebook rather than stand up for the Constitution - as he swore to do. Worse yet, you bloviating clowns think you're going to prop up this pathetic little tin-plated dictator and pretend he's helping the city? Your hubris is only exceeded by your hypocrisy.

But the radicals who get up and speak each week want the spotlight. They want to be seen on Channel 3 and maybe get their name mentioned in the paper. They want to be a squeeky wheel in the hope that somebody will listen and do what they want to be done, no matter how ridiculous.
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So, in other words, you're not hearing enough 'happyspeak' about your beloved new mayor. Well, let's not get him confused with the loudmouthed wingnuts that run numerous anonymous (and cowardly) websites - one of which the mayor's own wife has admitting knowing the operator. Or the stream of sockpuppets howling on the Times-Call's website. Oh no, those are real 'statesmen' in Longmont. Again, your hypocrisy is revolting. As for 'the radicals' wanting publicity, please, you're projecting again. There's only one massive ego in Longmont blowing his own horn so hard it's amazing his nuts haven't flown out of it and he's squarely in the Lunatic Fringe's camp.

I actually think some of them think they are unelected members of the council, and that the public is begging to hear their two-cents. Well guess what? You're not, and we don't. If the council didn't have to sit and listen to the same drivel every week, they could get more work done and get our economy rolling that much faster.
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Some of them got votes. That alone means someone believed in them and felt they would be a good representative for them. Why the supporters of this wingnut-a-palooza council think it's a democracy when you ignore the citizens is a sign they're completely off their nut. Drivel? People have a Right to speak you twit. You don't like it, move back to Romania.

Last point - why is it such a radical idea to let council have a couple minutes to respond after PITBH?
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Sigh.  Because it's PUBLIC INVITED TO BE HEARD you mental midget. Not 'Public invited to be insulted and argued with by a childish tyrant'.

I didn't get the impression that the need to respond is to try and shut someone up or counter their arguments,
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Go watch the video of the mayor - that's exactly what he was trying to do - you'd think someone that's made so much money from 'smart decisions' would have the wits to read some history and realize how much Americans don't like being stepped on.

I got the impression that councilmembers should have an opportunity to answer questions that citizens bring up during the PITBH.
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Again, you got that wrong. So much for your understanding of PITBH.

As it is, the council is not to respond, so when someone comes up with a question during their 3 minutes they either get no answer or have to wait until the break or until Council Comments to get an answer. Most people have left the meeting or turned off the tv by the time midnight rolls around and council gets to finally offer some answers. Wouldn't it be in everyone's best interest to let the council be helpful right after the questions are asked instead of never answering or answering 4+ hours later, when everyone has forgotten the original question? JMO
Longmonter, Longmont, CO, 1/25/2010 1:30 PM
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Previous council members have instructed the appropriate staff member to answer the question on the council's behalf.  You're reaching so far for an argument, you'll soon be falling flat on your face.  Come to think of it, you already have.

If our illustrious mayor would bother to read his packet rather than dodge it like a bored fratboy, answered his emails or just DID HIS JOB he could answer them afterwards as intended.

If the public wants to talk for four days that's our right - it's our government and our town and our country. You're well-advised to keep that firmly in mind when you start trying to pass off this fascist idiocy as 'common sense' - because it's not. It's the first step down a road that leads to a real nightmare - and you'll have to go through me for one to get there.